tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post1484449079142402680..comments2024-03-17T02:31:41.623-05:00Comments on Euangelion: What's at Stake in the Pistis Christou Debate?Michael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-75171895205332415202007-07-14T13:44:00.000-05:002007-07-14T13:44:00.000-05:00Sounds like Reasoner is giving us a false dilemma:...Sounds like Reasoner is giving us a false dilemma: either the matter is mere theological utility, or it has to do with grammatical or syntactical difficulties with the alternative. But since when is exegesis limited to grammar and syntax? What about context and biblical background? What about the fact that Paul speaks of faith "coming" - a strange way to speak, to be sure, if <I>pistis</I> must refer to the believer's faith in Christ.<BR/><BR/>It's also a <I>non sequitur</I> to suggest that the subjective genitive reading takes away from human faith (although I'm not sure I would agree with Reasoner on what that precisely must involve); after all, the biblical basis for faith is much broader and deeper than the <I>pistis Christou</I> phrase.Rabbi Saulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17698627339947358840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-88714140633129338352007-07-13T20:17:00.000-05:002007-07-13T20:17:00.000-05:00mmmmm Mike, so is there a little incipient dispens...mmmmm Mike, so is there a little incipient dispensationalism seeping out in that last sentence?<BR/>I guess on the overall tyheme, would that amke Moore College the source for NT Wright's thought? :)<BR/>(with much humour and gentle digging)<BR/>SteveGroseys messageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09256060632754175527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-46723565363851895672007-07-13T07:00:00.000-05:002007-07-13T07:00:00.000-05:00Former RTS-Jax Pauline prof Knox Chamblin also vot...Former RTS-Jax Pauline prof Knox Chamblin also votes plenary, or leaned towards it at one point in time.J. B. Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17074055343675084879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-66752894334279280492007-07-13T05:43:00.000-05:002007-07-13T05:43:00.000-05:00Colin,Mark Seifrid and Francis Watson seem to take...Colin,<BR/>Mark Seifrid and Francis Watson seem to take such a view and take the "Faith of Jesus" as primarily an objective genitive but with wider connotations including Jesus as the author of faith as well.Michael F. Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-61486879878873480842007-07-12T19:59:00.000-05:002007-07-12T19:59:00.000-05:00I'm not an NT student, but a friend of mine who is...I'm not an NT student, but a friend of mine who is has suggested reading this passage as a plenary genitive, with both objective and subjective senses being implied. Is such a reading at all common? Is it completely absurd for any particular reason? Just a wondering.Colin Toffelmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13857934895856384717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-50738736887972746982007-07-10T19:40:00.000-05:002007-07-10T19:40:00.000-05:00Seems to me at least some of the defenses of obj g...Seems to me at least some of the defenses of obj gen I've read also rely a fair bit on theological utility...J. B. Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17074055343675084879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-16784857378355380072007-07-10T16:44:00.001-05:002007-07-10T16:44:00.001-05:00Simon,pp. 39-40 of his book, Romans in Full Circle...Simon,<BR/>pp. 39-40 of his book, Romans in Full Circle.Michael F. Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-62922249081377070472007-07-10T16:44:00.000-05:002007-07-10T16:44:00.000-05:00Thanks for this. I have the same question as Simon...Thanks for this. I have the same question as Simon. I also have a longer question and comment that I've <A HREF="http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2007/07/faith-in-christs-faithfulness/" REL="nofollow">posted here.</A>Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326403777027937887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-61788137658277518482007-07-10T12:18:00.000-05:002007-07-10T12:18:00.000-05:00Interesting post - thanks Michael. Where do the Re...Interesting post - thanks Michael. Where do the Reasoner comments come from?simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470335172330595542noreply@blogger.com