tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post2949931893270965732..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: Difference Between Luther(anism) and Calvin on JustificationMichael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-87384146724733479512016-09-04T18:08:49.276-05:002016-09-04T18:08:49.276-05:00I think there is serious misunderstanding,here. Lu...I think there is serious misunderstanding,here. Luther saw union with Christ as part of justification. It was Calvin who sharply divided justification and sanctification, as justification was a purely forensic matter - utter novelty, historically speaking. Whereas, Luther saw the believer clothed in Christ but also, as Christ living from deeply within, the flesh itself accounting for nothing. In other words, Luther was wholly Pauline while Calvin focused on law in a way that degraded Luther's insights and led to false and fleshly notions of holiness by focusing on law rather than on Christ at ALL times.Rev. Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193789094569388591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-85895996643354095152016-09-04T18:08:05.113-05:002016-09-04T18:08:05.113-05:00I think there is serious misunderstanding,here. Lu...I think there is serious misunderstanding,here. Luther saw union with Christ as part of justification. It was Calvin who sharply divided justification and sanctification, as justification was a purely forensic matter - utter novelty, historically speaking. Whereas, Luther saw the believer clothed in Christ but also, as Christ living from deeply within, the flesh itself accounting for nothing. In other words, Luther was wholly Pauline while Calvin focused on law in a way that degraded Luther's insights and led to false and fleshly notions of holiness by focusing on law rather than on Christ at ALL times.Rev. Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193789094569388591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-82939637223527101642013-03-16T15:14:42.470-05:002013-03-16T15:14:42.470-05:00"Sanctification is thus simply the art of get..."Sanctification is thus simply the art of getting used to justification. It is not something added to justification. It is not the final defense against a justification too liberally granted. It is the justified life. It is what happens when the old being comes up against the end of its self-justifying and self-gratifying ways, however pious. It is life lived in anticipation of the resurrection."<br />Gerhard Forde<br />A Lutheran View of Sanctification<br /><br />http://pastormattrichard.webs.com/Forde_Sanctifcation.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-66858502878241028532009-05-21T16:35:08.527-05:002009-05-21T16:35:08.527-05:00And so, would Calvin have any concerns over statem...And so, would Calvin have any concerns over statements 14, 15 in "The Gospel of Jesus Christ: An Evangelical Celebration?" <br />Statement 14. We affirm that while all believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and are in the process of being made holy and conformed to the image of Christ, those consequences of justification are not its ground. God declares us just, remits our sins, and adopts us as his children, by his grace alone, and through faith alone, because of Christ alone, while we are still sinners (Rom. 4:5). We deny that believers must be inherently righteous by virtue of their cooperation with God’s life-transforming grace before God will declare them justified in Christ. We are justified while we are still sinners.<br /><br />Statement 15. We affirm that saving faith results in sanctification, the transformation of life in growing conformity to Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. Sanctification means ongoing repentance, a life of turning from sin to serve Jesus Christ in grateful reliance on him as one’s Lord and Master (Gal. 5:22-25; Rom. 8:4, 13-14). We reject any view of justification which divorces it from our sanctifying union with Christ and our increasing conformity to his image through prayer, repentance, cross-bearing, and life in the Spirit.Paul D. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18213551311029058377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-11005733772105661862009-05-21T09:28:57.044-05:002009-05-21T09:28:57.044-05:00Yes, there is no temporal order in Calvin's view; ...Yes, there is no temporal order in Calvin's view; it is more of a logical order or priority. Calvin is very much of the view that as we are united to Christ by faith, we receive at the same moment through the Spirit a double grace, namely, reconciliation and regeneration/sanctification (<I>Institutes</I> 3.11.1). We should also note that Calvin can even speak of the imputation of good works as righteousness on the level of regeneration (see <I>WTJ</I> 71 (2009): 11-14 if interested), which is quite different from the language that Luther could use.Steven Coxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798792943613130505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-90217050129106756572009-05-21T07:36:31.543-05:002009-05-21T07:36:31.543-05:00AMEN for Calvin.
His thought helps me understand m...AMEN for Calvin.<br />His thought helps me understand my fundamentalist background. It must be more Lutheran than I realized. I have struggled with the teaching that disconnects justification and sanctification from the work of Christ. Sanctification was related to the Spirit and was made either optional or at least the expectation of real change was uncertain.Paul Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13338553277884181802noreply@blogger.com