tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post3993077918298053033..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: John Calvin an Evangelical?Michael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-79361095357872871422008-06-19T17:56:00.000-05:002008-06-19T17:56:00.000-05:00Ah, sorry about that.Ah, sorry about that.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01546781354261523305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-67429563558459189672008-06-19T16:15:00.000-05:002008-06-19T16:15:00.000-05:00Ben, you misread my post. I haven't gone back and...Ben, you misread my post. I haven't gone back and looked at who made that edit and so I haven't asked the original editor his/her intentions. At any rate, I changed the article to avoid future confusion and not because the original editor meant "evangelical" in an anachronistic, modern sense.Jordan Barretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17026721955455243868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-58257227016350311492008-06-19T15:56:00.000-05:002008-06-19T15:56:00.000-05:00So it sounds like the Theopedia editor meant evang...So it sounds like the Theopedia editor meant evangelical in the modern sense of the word (which seems anachronistic); yet calling Calvin an evangelical is entirely appropriate given that it was the initial self-designation of many in the early Reformation.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01546781354261523305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-76995143813463054642008-06-18T17:47:00.000-05:002008-06-18T17:47:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Eric Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559055709208918638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-91289043502418895702008-06-18T16:43:00.000-05:002008-06-18T16:43:00.000-05:00It is not anachronistic to refer to Calvin as an e...It is not anachronistic to refer to Calvin as an evangelical, or to say he converted to evangelicalism. Martin Luther adapted the Greek term, dubbing his breakaway movement the evangelische kirke, or "evangelical church," a name still generally applied to the Lutheran Church in Germany. It was a name often attributed to the early reformers. Even the Roman Catholic Church called them the “gospelers.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-9289856045670731662008-06-18T15:17:00.000-05:002008-06-18T15:17:00.000-05:00Greetings, I'm an editor over at Theopedia and hav...Greetings, I'm an editor over at Theopedia and have worked on the Calvin article. Thanks for making me (and others) aware of the potentially problematic wording. While I agree in part with the comments (even Tim Larsen included Calvin in the "Biographical Dictionary of Evangelicals" [IVP, 2003] that he edited with Bebbington and Noll), I will admit that the wording causes more problems (or head-scratching) than is helpful. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.Jordan Barretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17026721955455243868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-10079634000875092342008-06-18T15:10:00.000-05:002008-06-18T15:10:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jordan Barretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17026721955455243868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-47990711757119496602008-06-18T14:18:00.000-05:002008-06-18T14:18:00.000-05:00Mike,Many scholars favor the terms 'evangelical' a...Mike,<BR/><BR/>Many scholars favor the terms 'evangelical' and evangelicalism. According to Oxford historian Diarmaid MacCulloch, in the preface to <I>The Reformation: A History</I> (Penguin 2003--a sweet deal at 5 dollars at SBL in DC!), xx: "It is therefore problematic to use the word Protestant . . . often in this book I use a different word, 'evangelical'. That word has the advantage that it was widely used and recognized at the time, and it also encapsulates what was most important to this collection of activists: the good news of the Gospel, in Latinized Greek, the <I>evangelium</I>."<BR/><BR/>I seem to remember this word, "evangelical" having wider currency as well, though it's been a while since I dipped into serious church history.J. B. Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17074055343675084879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-63582122357563975632008-06-18T14:14:00.000-05:002008-06-18T14:14:00.000-05:00Hey Mike. If I am not mistaken, "Evangelical" is ...Hey Mike. If I am not mistaken, "Evangelical" is a technical term in Calvin studies for those Frenchman who wanted reform in the church. For instance, Mark Greengrass in his book, The French Reformation, says, ". . . they tended to stress their devotion to the gospel [l'evangile] of the true message of Jesus Christ . . . evangelism represented all who wanted a reform along protestant lines but without wishing to establish a separate church in order to achieve it (p.12-13)."T. Baylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00662602280196411572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-26127080773488476112008-06-18T14:12:00.000-05:002008-06-18T14:12:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.T. Baylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00662602280196411572noreply@blogger.com