tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post5608574611171963410..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: Book Notice: Seyoon Kim, Christ and CaesarMichael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-26046123954746869392009-03-01T16:05:00.000-06:002009-03-01T16:05:00.000-06:00Andrew: check this out for Ramsay references. http...Andrew: check this out for Ramsay references. http://euangelizomai.blogspot.com/2007/03/fresh-perspective-aint-so-fresh.htmlMichael F. Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-58017564446450611652009-03-01T15:21:00.000-06:002009-03-01T15:21:00.000-06:00Could you point to the references by Ramsey and Di...Could you point to the references by Ramsey and Diesman as I doing a recent project on this subjectandrewbournehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14365466668037323684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-86856260759186203172009-03-01T12:55:00.000-06:002009-03-01T12:55:00.000-06:00Dr. Bird,I find much in common with your take on C...Dr. Bird,<BR/>I find much in common with your take on Christ and Caesar. I defiantly think many have taken the politics of Paul way too far. A professor of mine mentioned the other day that much of this may be due to the context of an aggressive foreign policy of the Bush administration of the last eight years. It will be interesting to see if such ideas are continually pursued with the new administration.<BR/><BR/>I have found it better to describe Paul's message over against that of the Empire as counter-cultural or counter-political rather than subversive. Neither Paul or John are trying to bring done the Empire, but simply counter those who claim things that belong solely to the exalted Christ. It seems to me that Paul does this with his apocalyptic eschatology. Paul is opposed to Rome insomuch as the Empire, the Emperor and the cult make claims that, in the apocalyptic eschatological reality Paul preaches, actually belong to Jesus.<BR/><BR/>I would include Eph 1 and many of the Psalms in your into the discussion of the implied anti-pagan propaganda.<BR/><BR/>I have also been thinking through Luke's view of how Paul and the Gospel relate to Rome. He goes out of his way to show Theophilus that Paul is constantly mistreated and then vindicated by the courts, yet stresses in Paul's speeches and dialogues things that sound counter-Imperial, especially Lordship. <BR/><BR/>(I hope I used used "apocalyptic" to your satisfaction)Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04309878333724246362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-54194768405933683912009-03-01T12:17:00.000-06:002009-03-01T12:17:00.000-06:00Thanks for the shout-out, Mike.A brief word in res...Thanks for the shout-out, Mike.<BR/><BR/>A brief word in response. The Acts of Paul is really late, and that is Kim's point. The clashes between Rome and Christianity that characterized the latter half of the 1st century and beyond made for a different kind of literature. Paul's letters reveal a situation in which that clash had not yet taken place. This is why the counterimperial Apocalypse is a totally different animal when considered next to a book like Romans. Apples and oranges.<BR/><BR/>Much luf,<BR/>DennyDenny Burkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14037957191765812835noreply@blogger.com