tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post622066347558859007..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: The Expulsion of Jews from RomeMichael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-59470464073115439922011-07-15T18:36:53.474-05:002011-07-15T18:36:53.474-05:00FYI
Briefly heard 'expulsion of Jews in 19 CE...FYI<br /><br />Briefly heard 'expulsion of Jews in 19 CE' as a background of Paul's Romans in an interview http://www.gci.org/YI096 Douglas Campbell: Understanding the Book of Romans (audio - 27 min). <br /><br />His book is <i>The Deliverance of God: An Apocalyptic Rereading of Justification in Paul</i> (2009 Eerdmans)ounbblhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06185384036982867509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-90069639914521213522008-08-11T07:15:00.000-05:002008-08-11T07:15:00.000-05:00Thus I further suggest that the meeting of 'Paul' ...Thus I further suggest that the meeting of 'Paul' with Aquila and Priscilla was in a synagogue in Rome, not Corinth. Aquila and Priscilla had recently come TO Italy (not from Italy) because Ananias (not Claudius) had ordered all prophets (not Jews) to leave Jerusalem (not Rome) (Acts 18:2). Of course Aquila was a prophet, not a 'tentmaker' as the editor would have us believe.(Acts 18:3). And Aquila was a prophet as we (not they) were - Acts was originally an 'I' and 'we' document. The essene/ prophetic tradition was that hosts would provide accomodation for visiting essenes/prophets. Thus Aquila and Priscilla stayed with us (the writer and his fellow prophets) in Rome.geoffhudson.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724916983698195467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-19983947437856889372008-08-10T16:05:00.000-05:002008-08-10T16:05:00.000-05:00On pages 386-9 of Rome and Jerusalem, Martin Goodm...On pages 386-9 of Rome and Jerusalem, Martin Goodman favours the idea that the expulsion of Jews from Rome in 19 CE and 49 CE was 'symbolic'. In relation to 19, Goodman wrote: “Jews were pushed out in 19, but they were present again in the late 20s.” With regard to 49, he wrote: "That the exile of Jews was indeed symbolic seems confirmed by the evidence for a sizeable Jewish community in the city at the time of Nero." <BR/><BR/>Now 'symbolic expulsions' are close to no expulsions. One can suspect Flavian cover-up of who was being expelled from where and why. Tacitus and Suetonius were influenced by Flavians. I believe that the expulsions were not of Jews from the city of Rome, but of prophets from the city of Jerusalem to Judea. <BR/><BR/>Tacitus and Suetonius only connect the expulsion of Jews from Rome with their apparent refusal to serve in the Roman army. But (Goodman again): “Josephus, who (unlike Tacitus and Suetonius) alleged that the expulsion of the Jews followed a specific scandal, the embezzlement by four Jewish scoundrels of money donated to the Jerusalem Temple by a high ranking proselyte called Fulvia, added that ‘a good many’ of these conscripts were punished because they ‘refused to serve for fear of breaking the ancestral law.’ “ I suggest that refusal to serve in the Roman army was pure Flavian dissimulation and had nothing to do with any expulsion of Jews, but what Goodman describes as a ‘scandal’ does give some possible clues to the expulsion of prophets from the city of Jerusalem, not Rome.geoffhudson.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724916983698195467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-75022827556222831592008-08-10T01:13:00.000-05:002008-08-10T01:13:00.000-05:00Michael, thanks for posting on background material...Michael, thanks for posting on background material. Can you please tell me who Walter Wiefel is? I've not heard that name before and Google & Amazon both turn up nothing aside from this post. I'd like to know more about where you're coming from and what else he had to say about the topic to begin with.Bill Heromanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-62380682179843001482008-08-09T23:53:00.000-05:002008-08-09T23:53:00.000-05:00Thanks, Michael.Have you come across any discussio...Thanks, Michael.<BR/><BR/>Have you come across any discussion about whether the disturbance that led to the expulsion had an economic dimension? I am struck by the fact that Prisca and Aquila were benefactors. Also, the expulsion may well have happened during a time of high food prices, for Suetonius Claud. 18 mentions "long continued droughts (see also Tacitus Ann. XII). Was there a conflict between the Christian and the non-Christian Jews concerning benefactorion obligations? Is this why Paul says, "if your enemies are hungry, feed them" (Rom 12:20)? Prisca and Aquila later moved from Corinth to Ephesus and this was arguably because the synagogue Jews in Corinth did not permit benefaction towards the church.Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.com