tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post6308945753753358832..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: Being a 'Jew' or a 'Judean'Michael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-24382089666601231092007-11-21T10:23:00.000-06:002007-11-21T10:23:00.000-06:00Hello Michael,I do not see any incompatibility bet...Hello Michael,<BR/><BR/>I do not see any incompatibility between the passage you cite from Epictetus and Steve Mason's arguments concerning the ethnic-focus of the term ioudaioi (in fact, I think that it is among the examples he gives of ioudaizein, to adopt the ways of the Judeans). It may well be that you are being thrown off by the translation you are using--take a look at the Greek. More importantly, read Steve Mason's article and things will start to make more sense.<BR/><BR/>Phil HPhil H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07980469495101772888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-32237247059717560722007-11-06T01:18:00.000-06:002007-11-06T01:18:00.000-06:00I'm not terribly up on this debate, but it seems t...I'm not terribly up on this debate, but it seems to me the terminological shift is intended to get people thinking away from the iudaios=religion toward the iudaios=ethnos. I posted on www.adfontes.wordpress.com (my home) some thoughts on this. It would seem to me those epitaphs, as well as many epitaphs in Rome and Spain, and references to "iudaeii" in Republican and Imperial Latin sources point out that there's a point to be made here, but that the term clearly does not at all necessarily mean that the people in question actually came from Judea. There are lots of other good examples of this sort of usage. I don't know why we focus on Jews.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11010472396443993553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-3024360468155312472007-11-04T22:49:00.000-06:002007-11-04T22:49:00.000-06:00Earlier today, I was reading the introduction to P...Earlier today, I was reading the introduction to <A HREF="http://www.supakoo.com/rick/ricoblog/2007/11/02/TreblicosEarlyChristiansInEphesusFromPaulToIgnatius.aspx" REL="nofollow">Paul Treblico's The Early Christians in Ephesus from Paul to Ignatius</A>. He's going through what we can know of pre-Christian Ephesus; specifically the Jewish presence there. He quotes some inscriptions, specifically epitaphs, that leave tombs in the care of the Ιουδαιοι. I haven't really kept up with the Jew/Judean discussion that much, but in these cases, I'd think, the meaning must be specifically that of Jews and not of Judeans.<BR/><BR/>Rick Brannan<BR/><A HREF="http://www.supakoo.com/rick/ricoblog" REL="nofollow">ricoblog</A>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01078186865098474490noreply@blogger.com