tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post7371076723282429607..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: Pastoral Reflections on the Pastoral EpistlesMichael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-9108708419554940902008-05-28T16:09:00.000-05:002008-05-28T16:09:00.000-05:00Ethics is included in sound doctrine (1 Tim. 1:8-1...Ethics is included in sound doctrine (1 Tim. 1:8-10) and sound doctrine "conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God..." (v. 11). So I ask: Would Paul consider his statements regarding men and women in 1 Tim. 2, 3 & et al as "sound doctrine"? Or, to put it differently, as applications of the gospel to the life of the church? If so, are they not tied to the gospel in some way? If not, by what other standard are we to benchmark Paul's teaching? Scripture is allergic to a cut and paste, canon-within-a-canon approach! Perhaps you can neatly snip out parts of Paul in order to make it comfortable for you to link to such organizations as Christians for Biblical Equality, but in the end your problem with Scripture's teaching on men and women will lead to problems with Christ's relationship with the church, which will lead to problems with Christ's relationship to the Father, which, as I come to think of it, leaves us in "gospel territory." I'm not saying you are sliding on this slope, but your thinking is on this slope - and anyone who has any feel for the historical and present trajectory of "christian" feminism, its hermeneutics, and overall approach to Scripture, is rather ignorant (as in "ignore") as to its outcomes. Un-tethering Paul's teaching on sexuality from sound doctrine and from the gospel has disastrous results indeed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13911903638324200910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-46266498205397917932008-04-28T08:31:00.000-05:002008-04-28T08:31:00.000-05:00and on #2- it would seem that Paul's view of doctr...and on #2- it would seem that Paul's view of doctrine is less bifurcated than ours. There is a fuzziness that allows doctrine to be "love, faith and godliness." I think we too often think that doctrine is the data and things like love, faith and godliness is what we do with that data, but doctrine is something more than the credit we can give it.greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11070539598282326197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-10018774375727021122008-04-27T11:46:00.000-05:002008-04-27T11:46:00.000-05:00If 1 Tim was written to Timothy, as you seem to su...If 1 Tim was written to Timothy, as you seem to suppose, how do you explain 1 Tim 4:12, which says that Timothy was young? How can Timothy have been young at any time that 1 Tim could have been written?<BR/><BR/>Richard.Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-78885365909105750452008-04-27T09:09:00.000-05:002008-04-27T09:09:00.000-05:00Amen!Amen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com