tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post114285363590737720..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: Jesus and Torah III - 4 ThesesMichael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-1142961773789375592006-03-21T11:22:00.000-06:002006-03-21T11:22:00.000-06:00I don't think you can ever separate J's approach t...I don't think you can ever separate J's approach to the law from "kingdom"; same with John the Baptist, though "kingdom" might not be the right word for it. It all revolves around something eschatological. Some of this of course shares a rabbinic/legal milieu. But I don't think we can do a strong either/or between rabbinic and eschatological/kingdom concerns.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the best way to argue this, however, is to say that in the first instance it <I>is</I> really a legal issue; but the implications of this are only worked out context of the Kingdom, which is present in the person and ministry of Jesus. And Jesus answers such on the basis of the fact that the Kingdom has come in such a way that righteousness and the Law are clarified, sharpened, etc.J. B. Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17074055343675084879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-1142946653290635072006-03-21T07:10:00.000-06:002006-03-21T07:10:00.000-06:00Mike,as we probably both know by now there is agre...Mike,<BR/><BR/>as we probably both know by now there is agreement between the two of us in general. But just a couple of points. On radical, yes from certain perspectives, but those who disagreed with certain rabbis may well have been in agreement with Jesus. His teaching is not unparalleled. That could be me being pedantic.<BR/><BR/>On Sabbath and kingdom, I'm not sure. Again the debate on (say) plucking of the grain reads like a rabbinic dispute to me (kind of from the opposing perspective). But also there is no explicit mention of the kingdom. So here's a question: is it methodologically correct to bring the kingdom, important though it was in Jesus' teaching, into all areas, or at least those where it is not explicitly mentioned? Or is it possible that there were certain legal disputes (very important to many people in themselves) which were just legal disputes?James Crossleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10661575117163837659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-1142862642051095752006-03-20T07:50:00.000-06:002006-03-20T07:50:00.000-06:00Mike,Have you given your two cents yet on "contagi...Mike,<BR/><BR/>Have you given your two cents yet on "contagious holiness"?<BR/><BR/>On #2 I assume Theissen is talking about (inter alia) Qumran practices?<BR/><BR/>It's here I think that NTW's question, "What time is it?" (i.e., "what's the current eschatological situation") really pays off in significant ways.J. B. Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17074055343675084879noreply@blogger.com