tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post2589023844447236058..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: When Did Jesus Become the Messiah? (Part 1)Michael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-89785225844429710562011-01-29T09:16:06.017-06:002011-01-29T09:16:06.017-06:00I think of Peter's preaching to Cornelius, abo...I think of Peter's preaching to Cornelius, about, "how God <i>anointed</i> Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him" (Acts 10:38).<br /><br />The second half of that verse, of course, speaks of His ministry on earth. The <i>anointing</i> with the Holy Spirit and power I understand to be what happened when Jesus was baptized by John ~ the Holy Spirit descended like a dove and the voice of the Father said, "This is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Soon after, Jesus began working healing miracles and deliverances.Jeff Doleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06582602841064840774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-32813977058270821812011-01-29T07:05:11.443-06:002011-01-29T07:05:11.443-06:00Of course I may be tying eschatological figures an...Of course I may be tying eschatological figures and messianic figures too closely together. (But there does seem to be an overlap).<br /><br />GrahamMr Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931446615905211560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-39558427187403328622011-01-29T06:58:32.570-06:002011-01-29T06:58:32.570-06:00I've a bit of an amateurish interest in Histor...I've a bit of an amateurish interest in Historical Jesus studies. I used to wonder if an historian could argue that Jesus viewed himself as the fulfilment of Israel's hopes and history. <br />I suppose the counter argument would be that this is reading Matthean "fulfilment" theology (etc) back into the teaching of Jesus. <br />But I wonder - if Jesus could conceive of himself as "the one who is to come", and if Jewish messianic expectations were quite broad, and if those expectations could include transcendent figures - then maybe I was on to something. Was there an expectation for a figure who would fulfil Israel's history? (You seem to argue this way in AYTOWITC.)<br /><br />This would also neatly explain the astonishingly early development of "Jesus Worship".<br /><br />GrahamMr Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931446615905211560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-28288472509191721642011-01-29T06:48:51.724-06:002011-01-29T06:48:51.724-06:00In "How Did Christianity Begin?" you poi...In "How Did Christianity Begin?" you point out that some Jewish writers believed that the Kingdom would arrive in stages. (Jubilees 23; 1 Enoch 91v12-17; 1 Corinthians 15 v23-24). This is a very important observation, because it means that we do not have to choose between traditions that remember Jesus proclaiming the Kingdom has arrived, and traditions that remember Jesus proclaiming that the Kingdom was to come. (It seems to me that Psalms of Solomon 17 describes a Kingdom gradually emerging in a messianic context). <br /><br />It seems arguable (at least) that Jesus believed that he was bringing the Kingdom to earth, but that he would do this in stages. His miracles and parables showed that it had arrived, but that he must return and judge the world for it to arrive in fullness. <br /><br />This also has the advantage of making the Resurrection completely explicable in the context of Jesus' ministry (with the benefit of hindsight, of course)as an important "stage" in the growth of the Kingdom. The Resurrection narratives too often appear as unexpected postscripts to Jesus' ministry. <br /><br />Has the importance of your observation been picked up by others, or have you developed it yourself. It seems to cohere nicely with your argument in "The One Who is To Come"<br /><br />GrahamMr Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931446615905211560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-38488160702710203192011-01-28T07:32:39.458-06:002011-01-28T07:32:39.458-06:00Michael, what do you think of J. R. Daniel Kirk...Michael, what do you think of J. R. Daniel Kirk's work (Unlocking Romans) in this regard?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-32222844937905228742011-01-28T07:24:45.893-06:002011-01-28T07:24:45.893-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-58920769899351391112011-01-28T05:43:48.579-06:002011-01-28T05:43:48.579-06:00Texto real, expressivo, comtundente, que apresenta...Texto real, expressivo, comtundente, que apresenta a realidade Cristocentrica do Evangelho.<br />www.vivendoteologia.blogspot.comDanilo Sergio Pallar Lemoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04479805462039147974noreply@blogger.com