tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post4620811510656156832..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: Paul: Apostle to the Gentiles AND Jews?Michael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-47711183528478516082009-08-13T06:56:23.018-05:002009-08-13T06:56:23.018-05:00Michael (Barber; not one of you other 'Michael...Michael (Barber; not one of you other 'Michaels') gets to the crux of the matter: Paul's gentile mission was connected to his hopes for the restoration of Israel. Can we get more "Michaels" contributing to the blog?<br /><br />Jim MillerJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03555860942199380773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-54584764913697584002009-08-13T03:29:35.604-05:002009-08-13T03:29:35.604-05:00Jim and Paul,
Thanks for that. As it is I have the...Jim and Paul,<br />Thanks for that. As it is I have the article/book on hand, so thanks for that.Michael F. Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-25433361643868830892009-08-13T00:34:23.564-05:002009-08-13T00:34:23.564-05:00Michael,
You may want to have a look at Rodney St...Michael,<br /><br />You may want to have a look at Rodney Stark's evidence in Cities of God that the apostle Paul mostly converted Jews. The relevant chapter is 'Paul and the Mission to the Hellenised Jews'.Paul Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786802640380693584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-59613983953086966282009-08-12T23:53:55.425-05:002009-08-12T23:53:55.425-05:00Also check out Acts 9: "Go, for he is a chose...Also check out Acts 9: "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the <i>sons of Israel </i>..." (Acts 9:15). <br /><br />I think it is important here to recognize that Paul specifically describes his mission by using not just the term "Jew" but "Israel" in Romans 9-11. I've already discussed this at length <a href="http://singinginthereign.blogspot.com/2008/06/all-in-all-what-does-all-israel-mean.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a>. I'd love to get your thoughts. Suffice it to say, I think Paul goes to the Gentiles because he links his missionary activity in Gentile territory with his hope for the restoration of the twelve tribes, who were scattered among the nations. That may sound far-fetched, but have a look at that link.Michael Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09245959720626825944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-90339729921635706992009-08-12T22:08:02.169-05:002009-08-12T22:08:02.169-05:00"Among the Gentiles/nations" is precisel..."Among the Gentiles/nations" is precisely the term I have used. If Paul did not engage in mission activity with Jews, (1) why does he promote Jewish-Gentile unity in his communities; (2) why is he punished by Jewish officials (2 Cor 11:24); and (3) why is he in agony over his fellow Jews' refusal to heed the gospel? These questions alone do not settle the case, but they do make a Gentile-only case harder.Michael J. Gormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07728724414982091999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-36967929227406504092009-08-12T13:40:09.909-05:002009-08-12T13:40:09.909-05:00Michael,
Two quick comments. First, take a look a...Michael,<br /><br />Two quick comments. First, take a look at the work of W. Paul Bowers ("Jewish Communities in Spain in the Time of Paul the Apostle" JTS 26/2 [1975]: 395-402). Paul demonstrates that there were no known Jews in Spain in Paul's time. Second, take a look at, "The Jewish Context of Paul's Gentile Mission" (Tyndale Bulletin 58.1 [2007]: 101–116). This piece lays some of the groundwork for dismantling the hard and fast distinctions scholars make between Paul's mission to the gentiles and Judaism.<br /><br />Jim MillerJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03555860942199380773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-16951702957153357302009-08-12T11:21:33.645-05:002009-08-12T11:21:33.645-05:00I wonder how the distinctions here might be orient...I wonder how the distinctions here might be oriented to geography (i.e., 'nations' implies extensive travel and inclusion primarily, not exclusion of Jews). Looking forward to your research!Joshua Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333501583868406489noreply@blogger.com