tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post5867623690187031490..comments2024-03-27T03:32:53.817-05:00Comments on Euangelion: Jimmy Dunn on Paul's "Note" from PrisonMichael F. Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-78073560320833482912010-02-10T10:06:57.707-06:002010-02-10T10:06:57.707-06:00I have scratched my head over this passage one or ...I have scratched my head over this passage one or two times. And I want to know (1) can we just drop vv. 19-22 off with integrity?; and (2) where exactly is Timothy?! <br /><br />His travel itinerary back to Rome just seems a bit odd. He can get Mark, who seems associated with Antioch elsewhere in the NT (although that's tenuous here of course). More importantly, he's going to travel via Troas, but he's not apparently going to Ephesus, and hence across the Aegean and via Corinth. Presumably then he's going up to Macedonia and the Ignatian Way. But does that mean he's in Bithynia? Or central Galatia? (Would he know that Crescens was there then?) Why is he in Bithynia?Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056686521641848428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-71224810265945552632010-02-08T10:53:01.484-06:002010-02-08T10:53:01.484-06:00Mike,
It seems to me that if someone had an oral ...Mike,<br /><br />It seems to me that if someone had an oral or written tradition from Paul to hand and was interested in capturing the teaching of Paul in a letter, then there would be no problem with this person including a piece of authentica. I have in mind RJB's idea about 2 Peter being written shortly after Peter's death and thus containing authentic Petrine material in a piece that is trying to capture the teaching and voice of Peter. The same could be said for someone trying to write in the style of Paul.Patrick Eganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14199979098311082805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-42400614814640414032010-02-08T08:41:19.647-06:002010-02-08T08:41:19.647-06:00I asked the librarian and she had never heard of i...I asked the librarian and she had never heard of it.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-46970866222179743072010-02-08T06:26:51.607-06:002010-02-08T06:26:51.607-06:00Seems like somebody must have smuggled it off the ...Seems like somebody must have smuggled it off the wall and out of Tyndale House, since I can't find it on any of our walls.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-81066171227923643152010-02-08T00:01:27.467-06:002010-02-08T00:01:27.467-06:00There are good reasons to believe that 2 Tim 4:9-1...There are good reasons to believe that 2 Tim 4:9-18 is just as unreliable as the rest of the Pastoral Epistles. I have just blogged on this <a href="http://paulandco-workers.blogspot.com/2010/02/unreliability-of-2-tim-49-18.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-4172394034113822622010-02-07T23:03:12.813-06:002010-02-07T23:03:12.813-06:00Interesting. A little off topic, but who do you th...Interesting. A little off topic, but who do you think penned Hebrews? I'm an undergraduate theology major in southern California and my professor and I were discussing this the other day. He was telling me that he believes it was a series of sermons that were collected and distributed to the church. What are your thoughts?<br /><br />Btw, I love your blog. Keep it up!Michael Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482003135755456557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-87187022579769929602010-02-07T16:13:15.328-06:002010-02-07T16:13:15.328-06:00Mike,
Pauline authorship is tricky. If everything ...Mike,<br />Pauline authorship is tricky. If everything were so easy as by Paul's own hand (Philemon) or with a scribe (Romans). But he had co-authors who I suspect had a big hand in some of his letters(Colossians) and maybe even wrote some letters on his behalf (Ephesians). The PE are funny because parts of them look solidly Pauline, in realism and style, but other parts do look a bit like they are a generation after Paul. I don't go for the fragmentary hypothesis of Harrison because I can't see why anyone would interpolate authentic fragments into what was, by perception if not intent, a forgery even if a well intended one. There is something else going on in the PE. S.G. Wilson argued for Lucan authorship of the PE and others have tilted their hat to the same theory. The biggest reservation I have is that I asked I. Howard Marshall about it. He's written commentaries on PE, Luke, and Acts, and he thinks the Greek is too different to be able to attribute Luke-Acts and PE to the same author. So, maybe, back to square one!Michael F. Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713482855679578651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-75778674282409991632010-02-07T15:38:50.600-06:002010-02-07T15:38:50.600-06:00Mike,
Do you share doubts about Pauline authorsh...Mike, <br /><br />Do you share doubts about Pauline authorship of the Pastorals as well? <br /><br />- MikeMichael Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482003135755456557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13840519.post-27127420534353696892010-02-07T14:52:34.932-06:002010-02-07T14:52:34.932-06:00Good idea on the possible Lucan or other disciple ...Good idea on the possible Lucan or other disciple connection. If the letter were composed for Paul by an immediate disciple, and incorporates "Tell Timothy...." sort of stuff, that would be sufficient explanation of the Paul as hero presentation, the differences from Paul in language etc. Such a model might affect dating as well since one of the reasons that support a later dating is the presentation of Paul as hero. Interesting hypothesis, looking forward to your exploration of it.theswainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05919025515524894537noreply@blogger.com